Nordstrom expects online sales to account for 30% of business by 2020.

(Bloomberg)—Nordstrom has been having a rough go of it lately.

The luxury retailer’s shares have fallen 30% in the past year. After its fourth-quarter earnings missed analyst estimates last month, the company said it didn’t expect a pretty year ahead, surprising investors who were expecting to see the company book more profits.

Chief financial officer Mike Koppel explained what’s hurting the bottom line for Nordstrom, No. 19 in the Internet Retailer 2015 Top 500 Guide. And what he had to say Wednesday, shrouded in a bit of economic theory, aholds some pretty big implications for the entire retail industry as retailers shift from running fleets of bricks-and-mortar stores to also selling their goods online.

He explained that the “old model”—big physical stores located mostly in malls—came with high fixed costs, but high leverage. In other words, you had to pour a lot of money into literal bricks and mortar to build stores and train staff, but once your sales reached a sort of break-even point, all the rest was gravy. In essence, the money from a banner sales year could flow straight down to the bottom line once those initial costs were paid for. And that became pretty easy to anticipate and plan against.

Enter the Internet, where the promise of high profits came from the theory that a retailer could sell stuff without having to pay for the overhead expenses of operating locations and hiring lots of labor. Not exactly, Koppel says.

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Online sales came with low fixed costs, but the price tag was high variable costs. Meaning that the more Nordstrom sells online, the more it has to shell out to pick, pack and deliver those goods. And right now, “business has been flattening in malls and growing in e-commerce, and so the two strong trends are impacting operating margins,” Koppel told analysts Wednesday at the UBS Consumer Conference.

Nordstrom’s capital spending peaked in 2015 and will taper off soon, he said. But the company has faced additional cost pressures as its lower-margin, off-price Nordstrom Rack business grows. After it launched a separate website for Nordstrom Rack, it quickly saw customers shift some purchases online. Nordstrom has also been more promotional than usual as it tries to compete with competitors including Amazon.com Inc. (No. 1 in the Top 500), which Koppel estimates is already running a $10 billion apparel business.

Nordstrom isn’t alone. Retailers such as Michael Kors have said that e-commerce isn’t as profitable as business at physical stores. And Koppel made a plea Wednesday to “anyone out there” who has figured it out, because “we have a lot of work to do.”

But he also made clear the company isn’t backing away from e-commerce. And as the business model changes, so will the company. Nordstrom now expects online sales to make up 30% of its business by 2020, up from 8% in 2010. The good news is that customers who shop both online and in stores spend three to four times as much at Nordstrom than those who shop just one channel.

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